Has anyone ever seen the movie, "zeitgeist"?

Has anyone ever seen the movie, "Zeitgeist"?! If not, I STRONGLY urge you to. It's very eye opening. You can see it .. It's very informative. It's about government conspiracies, mainly. But it's one of those movies that makes you really think, and...

question everything. I recommend it to everyone!

There is nothing about conspiracy theroies that makes one "question everything." In fact, conspiracy theories are crafted specifically to shut down questioning. Conspiracy theories begin with a preconceived notion of events and the evidence is then shaped to fit that notion. A proper inquiry begins with a gathering of evidence with the conclusion shaped from the study of facts.

If your goal is to expand your ability to think independently, absorbing biased, subjective evidence that flies in the face of 1,000 years of established scientific method is heading in the exact opposite direction.

Zeitgeist? I think I heard of it but thank you!
I'll check it out.

I watched the first section, which seemed good. Unfortunately, the second section delves deep into thoroughly debunked 911-truth-ism. Basically, everything in the second section is an out-and-out lie. I didn't bother continuing to watch after about halfway through, and now I wonder just how accurate the first section is.

I've seen it, very interesting. Makes you think aye.

I 2nd arachnid. The first section is ok, although some of the claims are a bit shakey - the overall theme is reasonably accurate. The rest of the movie is crap.

it made ME rethink a lot of things mikeh...I still suggest that everyone should see the movie. I was expecting people to be interested and open-minded about the movie.. not negative like you...

***I was expecting people to be interested and open-minded about the movie.. ***

...and why would you presume people would all think like you?

I went into it interested and open-minded. Then I recognised that they were conspiracy theorists and kooks and not really worth my time. Being "open minded" implies critical assessment of what you take in, not credulous acceptance of everything.

Never seen "Zeitgeist." As for material concerning the most recent and pernicious act of government conspiracy... check out the works of Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas... "Loose Change 2nd edition"... "Loose Change Final Cut"... "Fabled Enemies." Found at Youtube or google video. Read David Ray Griffin's "Debunking 9/11 Debunking." Visit Michael Rivero's WHATREALLYHAPPENED website...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Make your mind up for yourself... history is the result of successful conspiracies. No doubt 9/11 was the result of conspiracy... the question raised isnt whether there was conspiracy or not... but who conspired.

*sigh* I knew _someone_ would claim that it was all accurate.

Here's a an article that covers just _some_ of the comprehensive debunking that's been done: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/12/your_friday_dose_of_woo_and_now_for_some.php

The best bit is, the conspiracy theorists can't even get straight what the conspiracy is, why their various weird components are necessary for it, or even who perpetrated it.

WOW!!... Have I the honor of being that certain someone?... Flattered!

Having skimmed the article posted above... filled with ad hominem [for shame arachnid] and strawman arguments... I urge anyone not smitten with Michael Shermer to follow up by reading "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" as previously suggested... this time with a first hand example of yellow journalism for reference. Of interest is the articles failure to mention WTC 7. Nothing new in the woodworks here... more debunking what no one was thinking... congrats!

lol...

Here's what actually happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTC7#Collapse

Why are absurdly complicated and unlikely conspiracy theories required?

"Why are absurdly complicated and unlikely conspiracy theories required?"

Good Question... You were describing the official take... were you not?

Read carefully and the article states that NIST [National Institute of Standards and Technology] has yet to come to a consensus on the cause of the collapse.

Here's what really happened via WHATREALLYHAPPENED: http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/questions-and-answers-about-nist-wtc-7-investigation

read/compare/contrast

So... on the one hand we have a NIST report with no plausible reason to distrust it.

On the other hand we have reports of people hearing things that "sounded like explosions" - the sort of sound thousands of tonnes of concrete crashing into each other might make when a building falls down, perhaps? And the videos of the scene show nothing that resembles anything other than an unstable building falling down. And the conspiracy theorists have no plausible reason _why_ anyone would cook up an elaborate and unlikely conspiracy to knock down a building that would have plausibly fallen down on its own.

All the WTC conspiracy theories are like this: Elaborate concoctions that are made up after the fact, with no rhyme or reason, and a complete inability to critically assess evidence.

loool.. I'm sorry I asked my question in the first place^^;;

***it was MY opinion of the fking movie! FOR GOD SAKES DO YOU PEOPLE PURPOSELY COME ON HERE TO BASH PEOPLE FOR HAVING AN OPINION?! FFS GET A LIFE!***

That's all it is... your opinion... nothing more... nothing less. You decided to voice your opinion, with no other reason than your desire state your opinion about something. On an social website, there's bound to be people who don't agree with you. If you simply cannot handle that without kicking and screaming... then don't bother talking... at all...

Or... try asking FOR ADVICE (this is an advice website, after all).

hey, I wasn't saying I couldn't handle people disagreeing with me, by all means, go ahead!.. I just wanted to retract my question (as a joke) because its causing conflicts...

...your noisy response suggests the opposite. But feel free to ask an advisor to lock the question, if you feel it was a mistake to post it.

...or you can simply mark the question as 'anonymous'

Erm no.. It doesn't. It just suggests that what I've noticed is that SOME people seem to have nothing better to do with their lives than sitting at a computer all day, telling people that they're wrong about what they believe. Course it would ill poeple to be open-minded once in a while *sarcasm*

"Plausible" is definitely subjective in your usage.

The videos show a 47 story building falling symmetrically into its own footprint. Flinging boulders at buildings tends not to cause this... else the highly paid professional demolition teams would be hard pressed to validate those incredibly expensive estimates.

"...the conspiracy theorists have no plausible reason _why_ anyone would cook up an elaborate and unlikely conspiracy to knock down a building that would have plausibly fallen down on its own."

Guess not when you cherry pick what to read... from the article:

"[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions. [Online Journal]
The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases." [New York Lawyer]

Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]
Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. ..."All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran. [TechTV]


The collapse of WTC 7 also profited Silverstein Properties to the tune of ~$500 million through insurance payments."

The recurring reason conspiracy theorists have provided as to why the elaborate and unlikey attack on the U.S. by the Taliban took place is because..."they hate our freedom"