What is your opinion on the issues in the movie expelled?

I was just wondering what people thought about the movie, and the religious issues talked about in it.

In the movie, they talked about how many students and teachers or even columnists were expelled or fired for their beliefs in intelligent design or for even mentioning it in their writing without a standpoint. Ben Stein, scientists (creationists and evolutionists) and others talked about how the universe must have come to be...

They also said a lot about the book The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Richard Dawkins also spoke a lot about his book and supported his ideas, and near the end, Ben Stein interviewed him about the creation of the earth. And what I found amusing was that Dawkins basically admitted that there had to be some kind of 'thing' or being that spun evolution into cycle. He said he didn't know if they were aliens from another place or what, but he admitted that evolution didn't make any sense to have started on it's own. He really weakened his point of God being a 'delusion' with that statement.

Haven't seen it, I'm afraid, and from the dearth of answers, I many not be alone. Would you like to give us some details?

It's garbage. See here for just some of the press about it: http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/2008/04/expelled_now_with_added_antise.php

They used a portion of John Lennin's 'imagine' (imagine there's no heaven, ...) song without obtaining permission and were sued by his estate to stop distribution. They argued in court that the usage fell under the fair usage act, since the entire movie is basically a refutation of that song. ...thereby admitting that ID is religion in disguise rather than valid science - a point that has already been established in prior court cases.

They had to argue that the movie is religious propoganda in order to continue distributing it as scientific persecution.

It's all lies.

Toadaly,
I know intelligent design is not 'valid science.' There is nothing scientific about it. But I would certainly feel some sympathy for a student who had to write a paper about evolution and what supports it when they don't even believe in it. But I must say, evolution is not valid science either...

"But I must say, evolution is not valid science either..."

You must say it, huh? And what makes you must say it? What exaclty is your expertise that enables to make such a judgement?

I had never heard of this movie, but from what I have just read, it is more of the same from the ID crowd. Making crap up and calling it science. When asked to prove their theories, they change the subject by claiming a conspiracy of atheist scientists are supressing them. How dare those scientists ask for evidence of their "theory"...

Paco, Richard Dawkins does not say "evolution didn't make any sense to have started on it's own." He describes how Panspermia is the only way that ID would even be science (since whoever seeded life would have evolved), but Stein just wants to use this to say that Dawkins believes in ID.

*** But I would certainly feel some sympathy for a student who had to write a paper about evolution and what supports it when they don't even believe in it.

I guess I don't feel much pity. They could always rattle off what they were taught in class, and then finish the paper with

"...but the scientific method does not ask us to provide evidence for our theories, as much as it demands that we test them."

The student could thus demonstrate he knew what had been taught, and also protest against the assignment in an acceptable manner.

"No Intelligence Allowed" sums up the movie great. Anyone should be able to see through this movie for the silly, dishonest propaganda that it is. The amount of lies and deception that goes into creationism is ridiculous. However, they coin the term "Intelligent design" as a base to their religious beliefs, as a way around church/state laws. This film in no way tries to distinguish God from intelligent design, instead they claim "Big Science" conspiracy is trying to keep God out of the classroom, and equates evolution with the holocaust. Yes it equates evolution with the holocaust where it is claimed that Dawrin influenced Hitler.

Moreover, whenever they speak of evolution, we see black and white material from the 1950's.

Richard Dawkins had to say that he was asked whether he could think of any circumstances under which intelligent design might have occurred. It was designed to illustrate intelligent design's closest approach to being plausible. His point was design can never be an ULTIMATE explanation. He was most emphaticaly NOT saying that he believed Directed Panspermia.

it's funny
there are scientiest that work to prove in the bible,
funny thing though, they're beginning to believe it's all a medifore & such,
but their religous people that are doing the reseearch
funny aye?
& then they'll just repeat things in the bible wthout evedence suporting it
then they say god did the big bang
yet the big bang was axtualy caoused by to parrallel unicerses that collidied, the ripples are what formed the clumps of mattter
they're just trying to get you to think everyone's out to get them
it's a bunch of BS
lol

sry if there's any mispelled words
I'm sugar high of an energy drink
lol