Did humans evolve from ape or were adam and eve the first people?

were adam and eve the first people or did humans evolve from ape?

"Evolution is the continuation of Creationism." In the beginning, before the big bang, God created everything out of nothing, or perhaps from Himself.

Sorry about the repetitions but I kept getting some stupid error notice saying, "Sorry but something funny happened". I don't think it was funny at all, just a stupid interuption.

Sorry but Evolution and Creationism are complete contradictions of each other. If you read your bible Light was created before the Sun or moon or stars.
Light created Gen 1:3
Sun and moon and stars created created Gen 1:16-19

To: scarecrow (a.k.a. rnealw-scarecrow refers to the scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz movie. And what was the scarecrow looking for?
From: joseph1949

scarecrow, based on what you have written above you are in great need of proof that man has evolved. Here it is.

Please perform the following experiment:

1. Please get your finger out of your nose. It is unsightly.

2. After removing your finger from your nose go to the sink and wash your hands.

3. From this point on you cannot pick your nose until you have finished the experiment. After the experiment pick away!!!

4. Take your index finger (it does not matter which hand-this is not a complicated experiment, scarecrow) and place it between your cheek and teeth in your upper jaw.

5. Move your finger (scarecrow, keep away from your nose!!) around and you will detect two protuberances. They are part of the root system for your canine teeth. Way back when, our ape-like ancestors had real canine teeth-fangs if you will. Canine teeth need a deep, strong root. This helps the teeth to stay put. We no longer need large canine-like fangs. We have evolved so we do not need fangs, but we still have the memory (I.e. the protuberances) of our large canine teeth.

6. The experiment is now over. scarecrow, you have my permission to pick your nose. I will not look.

Thank you

'You seem to be implying that there is some kind of objective truth out there, that exists whether we know it or not.'
Exactly. And science is the endless search to find out as much as we can about it, little though that may be.

'There are certain things that we can never know; but they exist anyway. That's it?'
No, that's not it, because until we try, we have no way of knowing what it is we can never know, and even after we've tried, we can't be sure - there may be another way of investigating.

I have repeated two chunks because I think I detect a whiff of contradiction. If the truth is objective what does it matter if we don't know it. It wouldn't even matter if we never existed. Or cats.

As a matter of fact I agree with Wittgenstein, though he later said that it was what is not in Tractatus that matters most.

rnealw:
"... Evolution and Creationism are complete contradictions of each other."
Not if you don't take the bible as a science text. The basic idea of creationism is 100% compatible with any and every other belief system (because an omnipotent being can do anything s/he/it likes) - that's what's the matter with it, and why it isn't science.

"If you read your bible Light was created before the Sun or moon or stars.
Light created Gen 1:3 Sun and moon and stars created created Gen 1:16-19" Which is obvious nonsense - the first of many in that book.

fleapit:
"If the truth is objective what does it matter if we don't know it. It wouldn't even matter if we never existed. Or cats."
Certainly. Just as the world continued when Princes Di (for example) died, it will continue when you and I die, and when everybody has died, including cats. I see no problem in the absence of intelligent beings to observe. If so, what is it? I find much greater problems in a universe with parts that capricious flicker in and out of existence, or change their rules, when nobody is watching.

Aha! If it doesn't flicker in and out of existence then (as I said earlier and you rejected) it is sempiternal, which certainly gets over the problem of what came before. (The Big Bang is not an objection to that - it is merely a singularity; just a communication barrier.) But the other end is a bit worrying, with the universe expanding. That will make space pretty big, eventually.

How much simpler to have a god.

Joseph. . . . Have I called you a name? You will refer to me a Rnealw or not at all and I refer to you an Joseph.
Hugh . . . . Creationist believe God Created man. . . the world was created in 7 physical days. . . and God is God and if God wants to creat light before the sun who are we to limit Him? and man was created man, not an ape. what is nonsense is man evolving from the same fish a horse did. . . and life starting by it's self where life didn't exist before.

fleapit:
"Aha! If it doesn't flicker in and out of existence then (as I said earlier and you rejected) it is sempiternal,"
That doesn't follow at all. I don't know how you can think it does. So far as I know, nothing I can see capriciously flickers in an out of existence, but nor, so far as I know, is any of it sempiternal (semper=always). It seems a minor assumption that that applies to what I can't see as well, and a major assumption that my seeing makes a big difference. And I know this is where Schrödingers cat comes in - or goes out - but that is a very special case. It has no bearing on evolution vs genesis-creation (and remember, there are a gazillion other creation myths, many better than genesis, but none as fact-based as evolution, which doesn't belong among "myths" at all).

"which certainly gets over the problem of what came before. (The Big Bang is not an objection to that - it is merely a singularity; just a communication barrier.) But the other end is a bit worrying, with the universe expanding. That will make space pretty big, eventually."
How big do you think is too big?

"How much simpler to have a god." On August 30 you said "There is no God". Have you had a road to Damascus experience since then? It's not simpler at all. As Dawkins explains in detail, a god who/that can create a universe must be more complex than a universe, and need that much more explaining.

Hugh7: on Nov 26 you said - fleapit, if you click Refresh instead of Back, you'll see that your message got sent the first time. (Boy, that dog-on-the-toilet video's unfunny after the first time!)
Great if I could find Refresh! I seem to remember it used to exist but now with Vista it has sneaked away. All these repetitians are very worrying, but worse. I just got a message that you contributed on Nov 28, but I can't see it. Also my machine now won't send emails though they come in OK.
And the dog isn't funny even the first time.

hugh7 it is not nonsense that light was made before the sun because maybe the sun was dark and needed light to shine da!

Joel12, You (well, God) could create light in the abstract without any actually shining, I guess, but that makes nonsense of Gen 1:5,8,13 and 15-19, with the sun and the moon created THREE DAYS after light.

Nothing out shines the light of God. . . . So Hugh tell me and please keep it short. . . . Where did everything come from after all you can't make anything out of nothing and what caused the big bang?

rnealw: "Nothing out shines the light of God" - a meaningless statement (if it's meaningful, what does it mean?), especially if/since there are no god/dess/es. It certainaly doesn't make sense of the nonsense I cited.

You say God can make something out of nothing, so why can't something (or nothing) else?

Can you tell me where your god came from? Or what caused your god?

Short enough? Another short answer is, we don't know (yet) - any more than you do.

But at least we are studying the evidence, not just believing what a lot of people who knew even less (much, much less) than we do, guessed at or made up.